Random Thought 1. I once found a box in Vermont (Kent Pond? Busy
Beaver?) That was found by the Geo crowd. They were very confused,
left a few trinkets and signed the log. Luckily they did not take
anything. It amazed me how far away the geo cache was and they
stumbled across the box. I think this is one reason why some boxes
disappear, the finder has no interest doing a good job rehiding. (But
then again I think some boxers are not great in that category either!)
I found the Geo cache later because it was totally un covered in the
roots of a tree, within sight of another closer box.

Thought 2. I just had two geocachers log into a box of mine because
they were way off tract looking for a new cache. I knew one of the two
and would call him an accidental boxer. He tried boxing, but loves the
geo thing. So he stamps in a box he finds by accident. The second guy
called the box a "Letterbox cache" and signed in. Everything was in
place.

Thought 3. A Geocacher e-mailed me if it was alright to use one of my
boxes (in Norwalk, CT) as a part of the clue to find his geocache. I
had no problem. In fact, I thought it was a great idea.

Thought 4. I have a PFX of 257 and about 30 geocaches, does that make
me only a little evil? :)

Which leads me to ask--What percentage of boxers are geocachers?

Thought 5. Keep your boxes a good 40 feet away from any geocache if
you can, it will be found if it is less then this. Geocaches are many
times in green containers that are hard to spot. Letterboxes are
usually in containers that are easier to see. I once was actually
sitting on a geocache in Cranbury park Norwalk, CT. thinking that the
spot would make a good placement spot for a box and looked down. It
was more then a little bit of a shock to see my foot on the ammunition
container!

J. Peter

I'm a boxer who geocaches also. I mainly cache when I don't have time to
make the trip to find boxes I haven't found yet and it gives me a hunting
fix. I'm not very good at it though. My LB success rate is somewhere
around 95% or a little better, where my GC success rate is about 25%. There
is a mindset thing I haven't ironed out yet I think.

Here in Texas I've noticed that GC'ers are getting a whiff of LB'ing and are
getting interested or at least aware. The ones who have taken the time to
learn about it are respectful of LBs. Of course, those are also the ones
that seem to place pretty good caches. I've noticed that folks who do sorry
caches also seem to blow through LBs when they find them by accident and
toss them aside. Anyway, I love to see accidental finders sign my logs to
let me know they were there.

When I first started learning about GC'ing, I tended to think of it as an
artless imposter - after all, in LBing, we put a lot more into the making of
our boxes by the time we put the log together and carve the stamp, where
they generally put strips of paper in a box for the log, chunk some trinkets
in on top of it (assuming it isn't a micro, as most of them around here
are), hide it and post coordinates. What I finally realized is that their
art is in the hide. I once found one that was hidden in a hollowed out pine
cone placed in a pine tree. What made me finally spot it? I have no
earthly idea!

Anyway, as I've learned more about and done more GC'ing, I've come to
respect it more, even though I still much prefer LB'ing. But I also see my
friends in the GC world learning more about LB'ing and developing a
reciprocal respect. I think that as more of us on both sides of the fence
become more aware, it can only be a good thing.

BarefootLucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"


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I'm a geocacher and a letterboxer. I think the numbers are small but growing.

Lone R

jps225 wrote: Which leads me to ask--What percentage of boxers are geocachers?







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I am not personally a geocacher, but have had mostly positive experiences with them in this area (West Michigan) and there are several teams that do both. I have three different letterboxes that have been within 6 feet of geocaches for a couple of years. In one case, the log had more sign-ins from geocachers than letterboxers. The cachers had flipped the book over and began signing in from the back and the letterboxers continued stamping in from the front. There never seemed to be any conflict or problem with these particular boxes/caches. Cachers often noted the finding of the letterbox in their online logs, which probably alerted less informed cachers to its existence. All of these letterboxes are still in place, although two of the caches are now gone.

In one other situation, a letterbox I maintained was actually sharing space with a geocache -- it didn't start out this way, but no matter how many times I moved the box back to its intended spot, when I would stop to check on it, it was back in bed with the geocache. They co-existed like this for a couple of years until the cache went missing, and then mysteriously the box went missing within a few weeks after that. I have my suspicions on that one, but who really knows...

In one other situation I have a letterbox that was located very near a cache. It was closer to the trail than the cache was and for this reason the cachers were always finding it first. This box was frequently left out in the open, uncovered, even unopened a few times -- even though the other 3 boxes in the series were always very well rehidden, etc. I moved the letterbox to another hiding spot -- only a few feet away, although further away from the trail than the cache. It has been fine ever since.

I think more geocachers are aware of letterboxing now than they were only a couple of years ago. With the exception of a few, the majority of cachers respect letterboxes they come across (and we have those bad apples who call themselves letterboxers also). I think the two can co-exist with a little forethought and common sense -- 1) be sure to label your letterbox well so that it is not as easily mistaken for a cache by those who perhaps are not as familiar with the difference, 2) as a placer be aware of the caches in your area and in the places where you are planting boxes -- keep your boxes out of the direct line of traffic that a cacher would take when looking for his prize, and 3) monitor the geocache logs for those caches located near your letterboxes (you can sign up to have them e-mailed to you).

SpringChick



----- Original Message -----
From: jps225
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 12:01 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Mistaking Letterboxes for geocaches


Random Thought 1. I once found a box in Vermont (Kent Pond? Busy
Beaver?) That was found by the Geo crowd. They were very confused,
left a few trinkets and signed the log. Luckily they did not take
anything. It amazed me how far away the geo cache was and they
stumbled across the box. I think this is one reason why some boxes
disappear, the finder has no interest doing a good job rehiding. (But
then again I think some boxers are not great in that category either!)
I found the Geo cache later because it was totally un covered in the
roots of a tree, within sight of another closer box.

Thought 2. I just had two geocachers log into a box of mine because
they were way off tract looking for a new cache. I knew one of the two
and would call him an accidental boxer. He tried boxing, but loves the
geo thing. So he stamps in a box he finds by accident. The second guy
called the box a "Letterbox cache" and signed in. Everything was in
place.

Thought 3. A Geocacher e-mailed me if it was alright to use one of my
boxes (in Norwalk, CT) as a part of the clue to find his geocache. I
had no problem. In fact, I thought it was a great idea.

Thought 4. I have a PFX of 257 and about 30 geocaches, does that make
me only a little evil? :)

Which leads me to ask--What percentage of boxers are geocachers?

Thought 5. Keep your boxes a good 40 feet away from any geocache if
you can, it will be found if it is less then this. Geocaches are many
times in green containers that are hard to spot. Letterboxes are
usually in containers that are easier to see. I once was actually
sitting on a geocache in Cranbury park Norwalk, CT. thinking that the
spot would make a good placement spot for a box and looked down. It
was more then a little bit of a shock to see my foot on the ammunition
container!

J. Peter





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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "knightbaker63"
wrote:
>
> As more letterboxes are planted along with even more geocaches, it
> is a matter of time before they get mixed up.

> Do any of you have similar experiences? I think that GC'ers and
> Lb'ers need to be aware of one another and need to give one another
> some space, which is difficult for the letterboxer who doesn't have
> a GPS.


I had been hoping for years to plant a box in a Sunken Garden in
Maine. I was recently in the area and decided to investigate. I didn't
have a box to plant, rather I was just soaking up the beauty and
scouting out a spot for future planting. After having many adventures
planting in urban spots (especially gardens) I know some of the
pitfalls to those tricky locations. After spending at least a 1/2 hour
in the same small garden I came upon the only spot that would make sense.

I carefully moved aside the objects to reveal the proposed hiding spot
and putting my hand inside the crevace found a small container! I was
utterly surprised and delighted. It turns out that the container held
the contents of a geocache. I felt as though I had truly encountered a
treasure in a secret garden, the same feeling that I hope others have
when the visit some of the places that I lead them to in my own
letterbox clues. It was after this moment that I realized there would
be no need to plant a letterbox here - I had enjoyed the spot in a
different way despite the fact that I wasn't a geocacher.

I do not usually follow caching, but there's something to be said for
this person's ability to find a discrete spot and have a letterboxer
pick up on it - as I like to say, great minds think alike. I really
had to give this person credit for such a sweet location and just
chalk up my idea for planting one as too late.

This was the second time that I had ever stumbled across a cache, but
in the most interesting and magical way.

phyto

I have a stamp carved with the Groundspeak logo, just waiting for a good spot to plant.
I follow the local caches to make sure I'm not planting too close.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Phyto" wrote:
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "knightbaker63"
> wrote:
> >
> > As more letterboxes are planted along with even more geocaches, it
> > is a matter of time before they get mixed up.
>
> > Do any of you have similar experiences? I think that GC'ers and
> > Lb'ers need to be aware of one another and need to give one another
> > some space, which is difficult for the letterboxer who doesn't have
> > a GPS.
>
>
> I had been hoping for years to plant a box in a Sunken Garden in
> Maine. I was recently in the area and decided to investigate. I didn't
> have a box to plant, rather I was just soaking up the beauty and
> scouting out a spot for future planting. After having many adventures
> planting in urban spots (especially gardens) I know some of the
> pitfalls to those tricky locations. After spending at least a 1/2 hour
> in the same small garden I came upon the only spot that would make sense.
>
> I carefully moved aside the objects to reveal the proposed hiding spot
> and putting my hand inside the crevace found a small container! I was
> utterly surprised and delighted. It turns out that the container held
> the contents of a geocache. I felt as though I had truly encountered a
> treasure in a secret garden, the same feeling that I hope others have
> when the visit some of the places that I lead them to in my own
> letterbox clues. It was after this moment that I realized there would
> be no need to plant a letterbox here - I had enjoyed the spot in a
> different way despite the fact that I wasn't a geocacher.
>
> I do not usually follow caching, but there's something to be said for
> this person's ability to find a discrete spot and have a letterboxer
> pick up on it - as I like to say, great minds think alike. I really
> had to give this person credit for such a sweet location and just
> chalk up my idea for planting one as too late.
>
> This was the second time that I had ever stumbled across a cache, but
> in the most interesting and magical way.
>
> phyto
>

Is there a way to know where the local caches are without a GPS unit? We
have soooo many geocachers around here that I'd love to be able to check it
out before I plant a box. But how does a letterbox placer go about doing
that exactly?

~~ Mosey ~~
http://www.freewebs.com/moseyingalong


-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mizscarlet731
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 4:56 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Mistaking Letterboxes for geocaches


I have a stamp carved with the Groundspeak logo, just waiting for a good
spot to plant.
I follow the local caches to make sure I'm not planting too close.

I have a GPS and do both letterboxing and Geocaching, but if I
didn't and I wanted to hide a Lb in a popular spot you can go to
geocaching.com and search their site and get the coordinates for
geocaches that may be in the area that you want to place and then go
to google earth and plug in those coodrs and it will give you a
general vicinity at to where the caches is and you can place
accordingly.

One thing about geocachers is they will look for up to 200 feet away
from where their coords are telling them. And it is my experience
that the good ones have a sense for good hiding places.

Good Luck

Baker


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "xxxx"
wrote:
>
> Is there a way to know where the local caches are without a GPS
unit? We
> have soooo many geocachers around here that I'd love to be able to
check it
> out before I plant a box. But how does a letterbox placer go
about doing
> that exactly?
>

Mosey,

There is no way to be 100% sure there are no caches. Part of the problem is
that there are many different types of caches. Most of them are standard
caches but there are some multi caches. With multi caches you are given a
coordinate and when you get there you are given another coordinate and so on. You
wouldn't know where the actual cache is without going through all of the stages.

In any case, you could create an account on geocaching.com (you may not need
an account but I don't recall) and look up all caches by zip code. The
resulting list will be sorted by distance from the zip code you entered. You could
then click on each one and there will be links that will show you a map of
where the cache is located (or starting point in the event of a multi cache).
There are other links that will show "nearby caches" also.

One other option is to try to get in touch with one of the local cachers and
ask if there are any located in the area in which you would like to plant a
box. Chances are that cacher has already found the ones nearby and can tell
you specifically if one is close by.

Good luck,

Larry
Lundy and Vickster
North Shore, Massachusetts.

In a message dated 7/23/2006 7:18:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
PonyExpressMail@comcast.net writes:



Is there a way to know where the local caches are without a GPS unit? We
have soooo many geocachers around here that I'd love to be able to check it
out before I plant a box. But how does a letterbox placer go about doing
that exactly?






Lundy and Vickster
North Shore, Massachusetts


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Thanks! I use google earth all the time, but never worked with the
coordinate stuff before. I'll have to give it a try.

~~ Mosey ~~


-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of knightbaker63
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 6:32 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Mistaking Letterboxes for geocaches


I have a GPS and do both letterboxing and Geocaching, but if I
didn't and I wanted to hide a Lb in a popular spot you can go to
geocaching.com and search their site and get the coordinates for
geocaches that may be in the area that you want to place and then go
to google earth and plug in those coodrs and it will give you a
general vicinity at to where the caches is and you can place
accordingly.

One thing about geocachers is they will look for up to 200 feet away
from where their coords are telling them. And it is my experience
that the good ones have a sense for good hiding places.

Good Luck

Baker


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "xxxx"
wrote:
>
> Is there a way to know where the local caches are without a GPS
unit? We
> have soooo many geocachers around here that I'd love to be able to
check it
> out before I plant a box. But how does a letterbox placer go
about doing
> that exactly?
>







Yahoo! Groups Links

We call ourselves Google Earth Geocachers. We use our account and search by
zipcode, cut and paste coordinate to Google Earth, and can see fairly close
to where a geocache is. I'm sure it isn't as good as a GPS, but we already
have the computer. This helps us avoid planting too close to one, and we
have found several interesting caches. One is hidden so well, we know where
it is but can't find it!

4 little piggies


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I have just discovered geocaching, and am going to try it this
weekend. I got an inexpensive gps. When i went to the geocaching
website i couldn't believe how many geocaches are in my state! I was
shocked, because there are so few Lb's in the state. This is one
reason I am also getting into geocaching.

One neat thing about the geocaching site is they have a cache category
called Letterbox Hybrid. It is set up like a letterbox AND a
geocache. There is a logbook and stamp, as well as the little trading
trinkets. I think this is what I will do when I start planting
boxes. Hubby likes having coordinates.

Maggie (usmarine4ever85's wife ;)

Oddly enough, my area presently has more letterboxes than geocaches! That
doesn't seem to be the norm, at least not in Texas. And interestingly,
nearly everywhere there is a geocache, there also seems to be a letterbox,
so that if you happen to do both, you can usually get double benefit for one
trip. On the other hand, I've pretty thoroughly boxed most areas close by,
so I usually am returning to an area to geocache.

I'm thinking of converting some of my letterboxes to hybrids. I probably
won't do it with my boxes that I'm strongly attached to though, not so much
because I'm worried they'll be damaged, but because I made them for
letterboxers and for a letterboxer's appreciation of the art. I don't think
they would hold the same appeal for geocachers.
--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"


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Log from a geocache/letterbox hybrid:

August 2 by theDoubtfulGuests (52 found)
What a great hide. Lots of fun to find, especially in the Dark.
Eowyn and I found it by headlamp. Enjoyed the nice place to log in.
As a letterboxer I was disappointed that there was no stamp. I
assume there was one and a cacher mistakenly took it in trade. Will
cachers ever learn?? Eowyn stamped in with her fab stamp. That will
show you cachers what stamp art is all about.
Thanks for the fun.
Scarab

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "knightbaker63"
wrote:
>
> As more letterboxes are planted along with even more geocaches, it
> is a matter of time before they get mixed up. This actually
happened
> to me. There is an Lb up near Inlet, NY called Cathedral in the
> Pines. It is a nice solemn place. When I found the Lb, it had
stuff
> in it other than the stamp and notebook. I don't remember
specifics,
> but I couldn't figure it out.
>
> Well, recently we are going back into the area for more Lb's and a
> few Geocaches as I recently began that hobby. When I looked up
Inlet
> on Geocaching.com I found one near the above Lb. When I read
through
> some of the recent finds, I found one that said that he wasn't
able
> to find the GC, but found a letterbox and put a Travel Bug in it
> (Something akin to a hitchhiker). Now for the Lb'er what are they
> supposed to do with a travel bug? The part that bothers me is that
> person knew that what he found was an Lb and that he wanted to
place
> the TB, so he put it in the letterbox. That is not fair for the
> letterboxers as they are not going to know what to do with a TB
and
> may just take as a souvenir. It isn't fair to the owner of the TB
as
> it may end up out of circulation before it accomplishes its goal.
>
> Do any of you have similar experiences? I think that GC'ers and
> Lb'ers need to be aware of one another and need to give one
another
> some space, which is difficult for the letterboxer who doesn't
have
> a GPS. I see this problem increasing, and I am worried for the
> stamps getting traded for geocaching swag.
>
> Best regards,
> Baker
> http://bakersletterboxing.blogspot.com/
>

I am new to this group. I actually had never heard of letterboxing or
geocaching until two days again. Looks like Im going to be helping in
class that will involve these, so I started searching for information. Ive
been to the different website and still Im not sure what the difference is
between letterboxing and geocaching. I have printed directions to three
letterboxes just down the road from me, but we have not gone to look for
them yet, as I think I need to have my book ready for stamping and I guess I
need to design my own stamp before I start searching for others. I
understand these are questions many of you have heard over and over and Ive
read the information in the files for new letterboxers. Still my question
is what in the world is the difference?

Mary


On 8/15/06 5:40 PM, "thedoubtfulguests" wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Log from a geocache/letterbox hybrid:
>
> August 2 by theDoubtfulGuests (52 found)
> What a great hide. Lots of fun to find, especially in the Dark.
> Eowyn and I found it by headlamp. Enjoyed the nice place to log in.
> As a letterboxer I was disappointed that there was no stamp. I
> assume there was one and a cacher mistakenly took it in trade. Will
> cachers ever learn?? Eowyn stamped in with her fab stamp. That will
> show you cachers what stamp art is all about.
> Thanks for the fun.
> Scarab
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> , "knightbaker63"
> wrote:
>> >
>> > As more letterboxes are planted along with even more geocaches, it
>> > is a matter of time before they get mixed up. This actually
> happened
>> > to me. There is an Lb up near Inlet, NY called Cathedral in the
>> > Pines. It is a nice solemn place. When I found the Lb, it had
> stuff
>> > in it other than the stamp and notebook. I don't remember
> specifics,
>> > but I couldn't figure it out.
>> >
>> > Well, recently we are going back into the area for more Lb's and a
>> > few Geocaches as I recently began that hobby. When I looked up
> Inlet
>> > on Geocaching.com I found one near the above Lb. When I read
> through
>> > some of the recent finds, I found one that said that he wasn't
> able
>> > to find the GC, but found a letterbox and put a Travel Bug in it
>> > (Something akin to a hitchhiker). Now for the Lb'er what are they
>> > supposed to do with a travel bug? The part that bothers me is that
>> > person knew that what he found was an Lb and that he wanted to
> place
>> > the TB, so he put it in the letterbox. That is not fair for the
>> > letterboxers as they are not going to know what to do with a TB
> and
>> > may just take as a souvenir. It isn't fair to the owner of the TB
> as
>> > it may end up out of circulation before it accomplishes its goal.
>> >
>> > Do any of you have similar experiences? I think that GC'ers and
>> > Lb'ers need to be aware of one another and need to give one
> another
>> > some space, which is difficult for the letterboxer who doesn't
> have
>> > a GPS. I see this problem increasing, and I am worried for the
>> > stamps getting traded for geocaching swag.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Baker
>> > http://bakersletterboxing.blogspot.com/
>> >
>
>
>




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I am both a letterboxer and a geocacher.

I would say that the major difference is that geocaching is high tech in that a GPS unit is needed to find a hidden box. The hider posts latitude/longitude coordinates on the web so that a seeker can enter the coordinates into their GPS unit in order to find the box. Often extra clues are provided by the hider because coords take you to, at best, a 5 meter radius of the hiding spot. Letterboxing is lower tech, the hider gives the seeker directions to the hidden box (often online, sometimes word-of-mouth).

They are similar because they are both hide 'n seek treasure hunting games. The goal in both games is to find a hidden container.

The treasure in geocaching are trinkets - take a trinket and leave a trinket. The treasure in letterboxing is a stamp image - take an impression of the box's stamp for your personal logbook and leave an impression of your signature stamp image in the box's logbook.

The best way to really understand the similarities and differences is to get out there and find a variety of letterboxes and geocaches.

Happy trails to you. :)

Lone R


Mary Ramsower wrote: I am new to this group. I actually had never heard of letterboxing or
geocaching until two days again. Looks like Im going to be helping in
class that will involve these, so I started searching for information. Ive
been to the different website and still Im not sure what the difference is
between letterboxing and geocaching. I have printed directions to three
letterboxes just down the road from me, but we have not gone to look for
them yet, as I think I need to have my book ready for stamping and I guess I
need to design my own stamp before I start searching for others. I
understand these are questions many of you have heard over and over and Ive
read the information in the files for new letterboxers. Still my question
is what in the world is the difference?

Mary

On 8/15/06 5:40 PM, "thedoubtfulguests" wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Log from a geocache/letterbox hybrid:
>
> August 2 by theDoubtfulGuests (52 found)
> What a great hide. Lots of fun to find, especially in the Dark.
> Eowyn and I found it by headlamp. Enjoyed the nice place to log in.
> As a letterboxer I was disappointed that there was no stamp. I
> assume there was one and a cacher mistakenly took it in trade. Will
> cachers ever learn?? Eowyn stamped in with her fab stamp. That will
> show you cachers what stamp art is all about.
> Thanks for the fun.
> Scarab
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> , "knightbaker63"
> wrote:
>> >
>> > As more letterboxes are planted along with even more geocaches, it
>> > is a matter of time before they get mixed up. This actually
> happened
>> > to me. There is an Lb up near Inlet, NY called Cathedral in the
>> > Pines. It is a nice solemn place. When I found the Lb, it had
> stuff
>> > in it other than the stamp and notebook. I don't remember
> specifics,
>> > but I couldn't figure it out.
>> >
>> > Well, recently we are going back into the area for more Lb's and a
>> > few Geocaches as I recently began that hobby. When I looked up
> Inlet
>> > on Geocaching.com I found one near the above Lb. When I read
> through
>> > some of the recent finds, I found one that said that he wasn't
> able
>> > to find the GC, but found a letterbox and put a Travel Bug in it
>> > (Something akin to a hitchhiker). Now for the Lb'er what are they
>> > supposed to do with a travel bug? The part that bothers me is that
>> > person knew that what he found was an Lb and that he wanted to
> place
>> > the TB, so he put it in the letterbox. That is not fair for the
>> > letterboxers as they are not going to know what to do with a TB
> and
>> > may just take as a souvenir. It isn't fair to the owner of the TB
> as
>> > it may end up out of circulation before it accomplishes its goal.
>> >
>> > Do any of you have similar experiences? I think that GC'ers and
>> > Lb'ers need to be aware of one another and need to give one
> another
>> > some space, which is difficult for the letterboxer who doesn't
> have
>> > a GPS. I see this problem increasing, and I am worried for the
>> > stamps getting traded for geocaching swag.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Baker
>> > http://bakersletterboxing.blogspot.com/
>> >
>
>
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That makes total sense. Id thought maybe the GPS was a major difference.
I thought Id read about a box that had a stamp in it and a trinket for the
first person to locate it, which helped to confuse the issue. Thanks so
much. Hoping to figure out what design to do for our stamp and start
hunting!

Mary


On 8/15/06 8:28 PM, "R" wrote:

>
>
>
>
> I am both a letterboxer and a geocacher.
>
> I would say that the major difference is that geocaching is high tech in that
> a GPS unit is needed to find a hidden box. The hider posts latitude/longitude
> coordinates on the web so that a seeker can enter the coordinates into their
> GPS unit in order to find the box. Often extra clues are provided by the hider
> because coords take you to, at best, a 5 meter radius of the hiding spot.
> Letterboxing is lower tech, the hider gives the seeker directions to the
> hidden box (often online, sometimes word-of-mouth).
>
> They are similar because they are both hide 'n seek treasure hunting games.
> The goal in both games is to find a hidden container.
>
> The treasure in geocaching are trinkets - take a trinket and leave a trinket.
> The treasure in letterboxing is a stamp image - take an impression of the
> box's stamp for your personal logbook and leave an impression of your
> signature stamp image in the box's logbook.
>
> The best way to really understand the similarities and differences is to get
> out there and find a variety of letterboxes and geocaches.
>
> Happy trails to you. :)
>
> Lone R
>
> Mary Ramsower
> > wrote: I am new to this group. I actually
> had never heard of letterboxing or
> geocaching until two days again. Looks like Im going to be helping in
> class that will involve these, so I started searching for information. Ive
> been to the different website and still Im not sure what the difference is
> between letterboxing and geocaching. I have printed directions to three
> letterboxes just down the road from me, but we have not gone to look for
> them yet, as I think I need to have my book ready for stamping and I guess I
> need to design my own stamp before I start searching for others. I
> understand these are questions many of you have heard over and over and Ive
> read the information in the files for new letterboxers. Still my question
> is what in the world is the difference?
>
> Mary
>
> On 8/15/06 5:40 PM, "thedoubtfulguests" > > wrote:
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Log from a geocache/letterbox hybrid:
>> >
>> > August 2 by theDoubtfulGuests (52 found)
>> > What a great hide. Lots of fun to find, especially in the Dark.
>> > Eowyn and I found it by headlamp. Enjoyed the nice place to log in.
>> > As a letterboxer I was disappointed that there was no stamp. I
>> > assume there was one and a cacher mistakenly took it in trade. Will
>> > cachers ever learn?? Eowyn stamped in with her fab stamp. That will
>> > show you cachers what stamp art is all about.
>> > Thanks for the fun.
>> > Scarab
>> >
>> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>> > , "knightbaker63"
>> > wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > As more letterboxes are planted along with even more geocaches, it
>>>> >> > is a matter of time before they get mixed up. This actually
>> > happened
>>>> >> > to me. There is an Lb up near Inlet, NY called Cathedral in the
>>>> >> > Pines. It is a nice solemn place. When I found the Lb, it had
>> > stuff
>>>> >> > in it other than the stamp and notebook. I don't remember
>> > specifics,
>>>> >> > but I couldn't figure it out.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Well, recently we are going back into the area for more Lb's and a
>>>> >> > few Geocaches as I recently began that hobby. When I looked up
>> > Inlet
>>>> >> > on Geocaching.com I found one near the above Lb. When I read
>> > through
>>>> >> > some of the recent finds, I found one that said that he wasn't
>> > able
>>>> >> > to find the GC, but found a letterbox and put a Travel Bug in it
>>>> >> > (Something akin to a hitchhiker). Now for the Lb'er what are they
>>>> >> > supposed to do with a travel bug? The part that bothers me is that
>>>> >> > person knew that what he found was an Lb and that he wanted to
>> > place
>>>> >> > the TB, so he put it in the letterbox. That is not fair for the
>>>> >> > letterboxers as they are not going to know what to do with a TB
>> > and
>>>> >> > may just take as a souvenir. It isn't fair to the owner of the TB
>> > as
>>>> >> > it may end up out of circulation before it accomplishes its goal.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Do any of you have similar experiences? I think that GC'ers and
>>>> >> > Lb'ers need to be aware of one another and need to give one
>> > another
>>>> >> > some space, which is difficult for the letterboxer who doesn't
>> > have
>>>> >> > a GPS. I see this problem increasing, and I am worried for the
>>>> >> > stamps getting traded for geocaching swag.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Best regards,
>>>> >> > Baker
>>>> >> > http://bakersletterboxing.blogspot.com/
>>>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
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Sorry to ask if it has already been stated, but can you give a geocaches website?

Mary Ramsower wrote: That makes total sense. Id thought maybe the GPS was a major difference.
I thought Id read about a box that had a stamp in it and a trinket for the
first person to locate it, which helped to confuse the issue. Thanks so
much. Hoping to figure out what design to do for our stamp and start
hunting!

Mary

On 8/15/06 8:28 PM, "R" wrote:

>
>
>
>
> I am both a letterboxer and a geocacher.
>
> I would say that the major difference is that geocaching is high tech in that
> a GPS unit is needed to find a hidden box. The hider posts latitude/longitude
> coordinates on the web so that a seeker can enter the coordinates into their
> GPS unit in order to find the box. Often extra clues are provided by the hider
> because coords take you to, at best, a 5 meter radius of the hiding spot.
> Letterboxing is lower tech, the hider gives the seeker directions to the
> hidden box (often online, sometimes word-of-mouth).
>
> They are similar because they are both hide 'n seek treasure hunting games.
> The goal in both games is to find a hidden container.
>
> The treasure in geocaching are trinkets - take a trinket and leave a trinket.
> The treasure in letterboxing is a stamp image - take an impression of the
> box's stamp for your personal logbook and leave an impression of your
> signature stamp image in the box's logbook.
>
> The best way to really understand the similarities and differences is to get
> out there and find a variety of letterboxes and geocaches.
>
> Happy trails to you. :)
>
> Lone R
>
> Mary Ramsower
> > wrote: I am new to this group. I actually
> had never heard of letterboxing or
> geocaching until two days again. Looks like Im going to be helping in
> class that will involve these, so I started searching for information. Ive
> been to the different website and still Im not sure what the difference is
> between letterboxing and geocaching. I have printed directions to three
> letterboxes just down the road from me, but we have not gone to look for
> them yet, as I think I need to have my book ready for stamping and I guess I
> need to design my own stamp before I start searching for others. I
> understand these are questions many of you have heard over and over and Ive
> read the information in the files for new letterboxers. Still my question
> is what in the world is the difference?
>
> Mary
>
> On 8/15/06 5:40 PM, "thedoubtfulguests" > > wrote:
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Log from a geocache/letterbox hybrid:
>> >
>> > August 2 by theDoubtfulGuests (52 found)
>> > What a great hide. Lots of fun to find, especially in the Dark.
>> > Eowyn and I found it by headlamp. Enjoyed the nice place to log in.
>> > As a letterboxer I was disappointed that there was no stamp. I
>> > assume there was one and a cacher mistakenly took it in trade. Will
>> > cachers ever learn?? Eowyn stamped in with her fab stamp. That will
>> > show you cachers what stamp art is all about.
>> > Thanks for the fun.
>> > Scarab
>> >
>> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>> > , "knightbaker63"
>> > wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > As more letterboxes are planted along with even more geocaches, it
>>>> >> > is a matter of time before they get mixed up. This actually
>> > happened
>>>> >> > to me. There is an Lb up near Inlet, NY called Cathedral in the
>>>> >> > Pines. It is a nice solemn place. When I found the Lb, it had
>> > stuff
>>>> >> > in it other than the stamp and notebook. I don't remember
>> > specifics,
>>>> >> > but I couldn't figure it out.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Well, recently we are going back into the area for more Lb's and a
>>>> >> > few Geocaches as I recently began that hobby. When I looked up
>> > Inlet
>>>> >> > on Geocaching.com I found one near the above Lb. When I read
>> > through
>>>> >> > some of the recent finds, I found one that said that he wasn't
>> > able
>>>> >> > to find the GC, but found a letterbox and put a Travel Bug in it
>>>> >> > (Something akin to a hitchhiker). Now for the Lb'er what are they
>>>> >> > supposed to do with a travel bug? The part that bothers me is that
>>>> >> > person knew that what he found was an Lb and that he wanted to
>> > place
>>>> >> > the TB, so he put it in the letterbox. That is not fair for the
>>>> >> > letterboxers as they are not going to know what to do with a TB
>> > and
>>>> >> > may just take as a souvenir. It isn't fair to the owner of the TB
>> > as
>>>> >> > it may end up out of circulation before it accomplishes its goal.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Do any of you have similar experiences? I think that GC'ers and
>>>> >> > Lb'ers need to be aware of one another and need to give one
>> > another
>>>> >> > some space, which is difficult for the letterboxer who doesn't
>> > have
>>>> >> > a GPS. I see this problem increasing, and I am worried for the
>>>> >> > stamps getting traded for geocaching swag.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Best regards,
>>>> >> > Baker
>>>> >> > http://bakersletterboxing.blogspot.com/
>>>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
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The main geocaching website is http://www.geocaching.com/. It is the
only one that I know of but there might be more. H-A-F

www.geocaching,com


On 8/15/06, Candace Wied wrote:
>
> Sorry to ask if it has already been stated, but can you give a geocaches
> website?
>
> Mary Ramsower >
> wrote: That makes total sense. Id thought maybe the GPS was a major
> difference.
>
> I thought Id read about a box that had a stamp in it and a trinket for
> the
> first person to locate it, which helped to confuse the issue. Thanks so
> much. Hoping to figure out what design to do for our stamp and start
> hunting!
>
> Mary
>
> On 8/15/06 8:28 PM, "R" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am both a letterboxer and a geocacher.
> >
> > I would say that the major difference is that geocaching is high tech in
> that
> > a GPS unit is needed to find a hidden box. The hider posts
> latitude/longitude
> > coordinates on the web so that a seeker can enter the coordinates into
> their
> > GPS unit in order to find the box. Often extra clues are provided by the
> hider
> > because coords take you to, at best, a 5 meter radius of the hiding
> spot.
> > Letterboxing is lower tech, the hider gives the seeker directions to the
> > hidden box (often online, sometimes word-of-mouth).
> >
> > They are similar because they are both hide 'n seek treasure hunting
> games.
> > The goal in both games is to find a hidden container.
> >
> > The treasure in geocaching are trinkets - take a trinket and leave a
> trinket.
> > The treasure in letterboxing is a stamp image - take an impression of
> the
> > box's stamp for your personal logbook and leave an impression of your
> > signature stamp image in the box's logbook.
> >
> > The best way to really understand the similarities and differences is to
> get
> > out there and find a variety of letterboxes and geocaches.
> >
> > Happy trails to you. :)
> >
> > Lone R
> >
> > Mary Ramsower > orcaacademy%40sbcglobal.net>
> > > wrote: I am new to this group. I actually
> > had never heard of letterboxing or
> > geocaching until two days again. Looks like Im going to be helping in
> > class that will involve these, so I started searching for information.
> Ive
> > been to the different website and still Im not sure what the difference
> is
> > between letterboxing and geocaching. I have printed directions to three
> > letterboxes just down the road from me, but we have not gone to look for
> > them yet, as I think I need to have my book ready for stamping and I
> guess I
> > need to design my own stamp before I start searching for others. I
> > understand these are questions many of you have heard over and over and
> Ive
> > read the information in the files for new letterboxers. Still my
> question
> > is what in the world is the difference?
> >
> > Mary
> >
> > On 8/15/06 5:40 PM, "thedoubtfulguests"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Log from a geocache/letterbox hybrid:
> >> >
> >> > August 2 by theDoubtfulGuests (52 found)
> >> > What a great hide. Lots of fun to find, especially in the Dark.
> >> > Eowyn and I found it by headlamp. Enjoyed the nice place to log in.
> >> > As a letterboxer I was disappointed that there was no stamp. I
> >> > assume there was one and a cacher mistakenly took it in trade. Will
> >> > cachers ever learn?? Eowyn stamped in with her fab stamp. That will
> >> > show you cachers what stamp art is all about.
> >> > Thanks for the fun.
> >> > Scarab
> >> >
> >> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> >>
> >>
> >> > , "knightbaker63"
> >> > wrote:
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > As more letterboxes are planted along with even more geocaches,
> it
> >>>> >> > is a matter of time before they get mixed up. This actually
> >> > happened
> >>>> >> > to me. There is an Lb up near Inlet, NY called Cathedral in the
> >>>> >> > Pines. It is a nice solemn place. When I found the Lb, it had
> >> > stuff
> >>>> >> > in it other than the stamp and notebook. I don't remember
> >> > specifics,
> >>>> >> > but I couldn't figure it out.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Well, recently we are going back into the area for more Lb's and
> a
> >>>> >> > few Geocaches as I recently began that hobby. When I looked up
> >> > Inlet
> >>>> >> > on Geocaching.com I found one near the above Lb. When I read
> >> > through
> >>>> >> > some of the recent finds, I found one that said that he wasn't
> >> > able
> >>>> >> > to find the GC, but found a letterbox and put a Travel Bug in it
> >>>> >> > (Something akin to a hitchhiker). Now for the Lb'er what are
> they
> >>>> >> > supposed to do with a travel bug? The part that bothers me is
> that
> >>>> >> > person knew that what he found was an Lb and that he wanted to
> >> > place
> >>>> >> > the TB, so he put it in the letterbox. That is not fair for the
> >>>> >> > letterboxers as they are not going to know what to do with a TB
> >> > and
> >>>> >> > may just take as a souvenir. It isn't fair to the owner of the
> TB
> >> > as
> >>>> >> > it may end up out of circulation before it accomplishes its
> goal.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Do any of you have similar experiences? I think that GC'ers and
> >>>> >> > Lb'ers need to be aware of one another and need to give one
> >> > another
> >>>> >> > some space, which is difficult for the letterboxer who doesn't
> >> > have
> >>>> >> > a GPS. I see this problem increasing, and I am worried for the
> >>>> >> > stamps getting traded for geocaching swag.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Best regards,
> >>>> >> > Baker
> >>>> >> > http://bakersletterboxing.blogspot.com/
> >>>> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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http://www.geocaching.com

To find out what geocaches are near you, type your zip code (or postal code if you live in Canada) into the "Search for caches..." zipcode box. It's at the top right corner of the homepage.

Lone R

Candace Wied wrote: Sorry to ask if it has already been stated, but can you give a geocaches website?

Mary Ramsower wrote: That makes total sense. Id thought maybe the GPS was a major difference.
I thought Id read about a box that had a stamp in it and a trinket for the
first person to locate it, which helped to confuse the issue. Thanks so
much. Hoping to figure out what design to do for our stamp and start
hunting!

Mary

On 8/15/06 8:28 PM, "R" wrote:

>
>
>
>
> I am both a letterboxer and a geocacher.
>
> I would say that the major difference is that geocaching is high tech in that
> a GPS unit is needed to find a hidden box. The hider posts latitude/longitude
> coordinates on the web so that a seeker can enter the coordinates into their
> GPS unit in order to find the box. Often extra clues are provided by the hider
> because coords take you to, at best, a 5 meter radius of the hiding spot.
> Letterboxing is lower tech, the hider gives the seeker directions to the
> hidden box (often online, sometimes word-of-mouth).
>
> They are similar because they are both hide 'n seek treasure hunting games.
> The goal in both games is to find a hidden container.
>
> The treasure in geocaching are trinkets - take a trinket and leave a trinket.
> The treasure in letterboxing is a stamp image - take an impression of the
> box's stamp for your personal logbook and leave an impression of your
> signature stamp image in the box's logbook.
>
> The best way to really understand the similarities and differences is to get
> out there and find a variety of letterboxes and geocaches.
>
> Happy trails to you. :)
>
> Lone R
>
> Mary Ramsower
> > wrote: I am new to this group. I actually
> had never heard of letterboxing or
> geocaching until two days again. Looks like Im going to be helping in
> class that will involve these, so I started searching for information. Ive
> been to the different website and still Im not sure what the difference is
> between letterboxing and geocaching. I have printed directions to three
> letterboxes just down the road from me, but we have not gone to look for
> them yet, as I think I need to have my book ready for stamping and I guess I
> need to design my own stamp before I start searching for others. I
> understand these are questions many of you have heard over and over and Ive
> read the information in the files for new letterboxers. Still my question
> is what in the world is the difference?
>
> Mary
>
> On 8/15/06 5:40 PM, "thedoubtfulguests" > > wrote:
>
>> >
>> >
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I have found a few things in boxes. I have always just put what I found in the next box I go to.

R wrote: http://www.geocaching.com

To find out what geocaches are near you, type your zip code (or postal code if you live in Canada) into the "Search for caches..." zipcode box. It's at the top right corner of the homepage.

Lone R

Candace Wied wrote: Sorry to ask if it has already been stated, but can you give a geocaches website?

Mary Ramsower wrote: That makes total sense. Id thought maybe the GPS was a major difference.
I thought Id read about a box that had a stamp in it and a trinket for the
first person to locate it, which helped to confuse the issue. Thanks so
much. Hoping to figure out what design to do for our stamp and start
hunting!

Mary

On 8/15/06 8:28 PM, "R" wrote:

>
>
>
>
> I am both a letterboxer and a geocacher.
>
> I would say that the major difference is that geocaching is high tech in that
> a GPS unit is needed to find a hidden box. The hider posts latitude/longitude
> coordinates on the web so that a seeker can enter the coordinates into their
> GPS unit in order to find the box. Often extra clues are provided by the hider
> because coords take you to, at best, a 5 meter radius of the hiding spot.
> Letterboxing is lower tech, the hider gives the seeker directions to the
> hidden box (often online, sometimes word-of-mouth).
>
> They are similar because they are both hide 'n seek treasure hunting games.
> The goal in both games is to find a hidden container.
>
> The treasure in geocaching are trinkets - take a trinket and leave a trinket.
> The treasure in letterboxing is a stamp image - take an impression of the
> box's stamp for your personal logbook and leave an impression of your
> signature stamp image in the box's logbook.
>
> The best way to really understand the similarities and differences is to get
> out there and find a variety of letterboxes and geocaches.
>
> Happy trails to you. :)
>
> Lone R
>
> Mary Ramsower
> > wrote: I am new to this group. I actually
> had never heard of letterboxing or
> geocaching until two days again. Looks like Im going to be helping in
> class that will involve these, so I started searching for information. Ive
> been to the different website and still Im not sure what the difference is
> between letterboxing and geocaching. I have printed directions to three
> letterboxes just down the road from me, but we have not gone to look for
> them yet, as I think I need to have my book ready for stamping and I guess I
> need to design my own stamp before I start searching for others. I
> understand these are questions many of you have heard over and over and Ive
> read the information in the files for new letterboxers. Still my question
> is what in the world is the difference?
>
> Mary
>
> On 8/15/06 5:40 PM, "thedoubtfulguests" > > wrote:
>
>> >
>> >
>> >


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We are geocachers that just discovered a letterbox on a trip. We've
been geocaching for over 4 years now. One of the major geocaching
websites is www.geocaching.com , (this has hundreds of thousands of
geocaches worldwide), and another we belong to is at
www.terracaching.com . The second one is not as user friendly, and
is much smaller. For example, within 100 miles of my house is over
2700 caches (of different types) posted on the geocaching.com
website, but there are probably only about 75 within that same
radius on the terracaching site. There is no fee required for
either site, but you can help support the websites by purchasing a
premium membership ($30 a year), which also gets you some other
benefits. You can browse the site, copy the coordinates, etc,
create a member name and log finds with no charge. Unfortunately, a
website of that magnitude and detail has to be supported financially
some way, and a membership does help some. Let me know if you have
any other questions, and I would be happy to help.

Malia

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Candace Wied
wrote:
>
> Sorry to ask if it has already been stated, but can you give a
geocaches website?
>
> Mary Ramsower wrote: That makes total
sense. Id thought maybe the GPS was a major difference.
> I thought Id read about a box that had a stamp in it and a
trinket for the
> first person to locate it, which helped to confuse the issue.
Thanks so
> much. Hoping to figure out what design to do for our stamp and
start
> hunting!
>
> Mary
>
> On 8/15/06 8:28 PM, "R" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am both a letterboxer and a geocacher.
> >
> > I would say that the major difference is that geocaching is high
tech in that
> > a GPS unit is needed to find a hidden box. The hider posts
latitude/longitude
> > coordinates on the web so that a seeker can enter the
coordinates into their
> > GPS unit in order to find the box. Often extra clues are
provided by the hider
> > because coords take you to, at best, a 5 meter radius of the
hiding spot.
> > Letterboxing is lower tech, the hider gives the seeker
directions to the
> > hidden box (often online, sometimes word-of-mouth).
> >
> > They are similar because they are both hide 'n seek treasure
hunting games.
> > The goal in both games is to find a hidden container.
> >
> > The treasure in geocaching are trinkets - take a trinket and
leave a trinket.
> > The treasure in letterboxing is a stamp image - take an
impression of the
> > box's stamp for your personal logbook and leave an impression of
your
> > signature stamp image in the box's logbook.
> >
> > The best way to really understand the similarities and
differences is to get
> > out there and find a variety of letterboxes and geocaches.
> >
> > Happy trails to you. :)
> >
> > Lone R
> >
> > Mary Ramsower 40sbcglobal.net>
> > > wrote: I am new to this group. I actually
> > had never heard of letterboxing or
> > geocaching until two days again. Looks like Im going to be
helping in
> > class that will involve these, so I started searching for
information. Ive
> > been to the different website and still Im not sure what the
difference is
> > between letterboxing and geocaching. I have printed directions
to three
> > letterboxes just down the road from me, but we have not gone to
look for
> > them yet, as I think I need to have my book ready for stamping
and I guess I
> > need to design my own stamp before I start searching for others.
I
> > understand these are questions many of you have heard over and
over and Ive
> > read the information in the files for new letterboxers. Still my
question
> > is what in the world is the difference?
> >
> > Mary
> >
> > On 8/15/06 5:40 PM, "thedoubtfulguests" > > > wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Log from a geocache/letterbox hybrid:
> >> >
> >> > August 2 by theDoubtfulGuests (52 found)
> >> > What a great hide. Lots of fun to find, especially in the
Dark.
> >> > Eowyn and I found it by headlamp. Enjoyed the nice place to
log in.
> >> > As a letterboxer I was disappointed that there was no stamp. I
> >> > assume there was one and a cacher mistakenly took it in
trade. Will
> >> > cachers ever learn?? Eowyn stamped in with her fab stamp.
That will
> >> > show you cachers what stamp art is all about.
> >> > Thanks for the fun.
> >> > Scarab
> >> >
> >> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> >>
> >>
> >> > , "knightbaker63"
> >> > wrote:
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > As more letterboxes are planted along with even more
geocaches, it
> >>>> >> > is a matter of time before they get mixed up. This
actually
> >> > happened
> >>>> >> > to me. There is an Lb up near Inlet, NY called Cathedral
in the
> >>>> >> > Pines. It is a nice solemn place. When I found the Lb,
it had
> >> > stuff
> >>>> >> > in it other than the stamp and notebook. I don't remember
> >> > specifics,
> >>>> >> > but I couldn't figure it out.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Well, recently we are going back into the area for more
Lb's and a
> >>>> >> > few Geocaches as I recently began that hobby. When I
looked up
> >> > Inlet
> >>>> >> > on Geocaching.com I found one near the above Lb. When I
read
> >> > through
> >>>> >> > some of the recent finds, I found one that said that he
wasn't
> >> > able
> >>>> >> > to find the GC, but found a letterbox and put a Travel
Bug in it
> >>>> >> > (Something akin to a hitchhiker). Now for the Lb'er what
are they
> >>>> >> > supposed to do with a travel bug? The part that bothers
me is that
> >>>> >> > person knew that what he found was an Lb and that he
wanted to
> >> > place
> >>>> >> > the TB, so he put it in the letterbox. That is not fair
for the
> >>>> >> > letterboxers as they are not going to know what to do
with a TB
> >> > and
> >>>> >> > may just take as a souvenir. It isn't fair to the owner
of the TB
> >> > as
> >>>> >> > it may end up out of circulation before it accomplishes
its goal.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Do any of you have similar experiences? I think that
GC'ers and
> >>>> >> > Lb'ers need to be aware of one another and need to give
one
> >> > another
> >>>> >> > some space, which is difficult for the letterboxer who
doesn't
> >> > have
> >>>> >> > a GPS. I see this problem increasing, and I am worried
for the
> >>>> >> > stamps getting traded for geocaching swag.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Best regards,
> >>>> >> > Baker
> >>>> >> > http://bakersletterboxing.blogspot.com/
> >>>> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "knightbaker63"
wrote:
>
> As more letterboxes are planted along with even more geocaches, it
> is a matter of time before they get mixed up.

Found on Geocaching.com groundspeak forum
http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=139040&hl=

*****

"When a Geocacher finds a letterbox by mistake AND DOES NOT REALIZE
IT, the Geocacher will very commonly take the unique, handcarved
rubberstamp as a swag item and they leave a cheap dollar store trinket
in it's place.

This destroys the letterbox because there is no longer a way to
"login" to the box if you don't have the stamp....

"Letterboxers generally dislike geocachers because of the confusion
and damage caused by errant un-informed geocachers. Handcarving stamps
is pretty difficult & time consuming & these stamps can be pretty
intricate.

Please if you ever find a "geocache" with a rubber stamp in it. DON'T
TAKE THE STAMP!!!!! Look very carefully at the box and the log and see
if it is labled as a geocache or a letterbox."

*****

Lot's of similar posts, too. I'm a geocacher who has stumbled across
several letterboxes. So far, all of them specifically stated "This is
not a Geocache!" I have to say, most of the stamps are works of art.
Sometimes, I've just flipped through the LB log admiring the different
imprints.

Hopefully, this and similar posts at geocaching.com will get the word
out to cachers and help the LB cause.

It's great that there are some geocachers who understand the
differences and try to educate their community. I'll try to ignore
the one who said that "all snot flies one way" meaning we
letterboxers are the only ones to complain about the problems created
by geocachers who don't leave the boxes alone. Of course this person
then went on to complain about letterboxers...

I have a letterbox that sits in the exact same hiding place as a
geocache. They've sat side by side off and on for about 4 years
without any problems. I did it this way to limit the social trails
in the area, figuring each hobbyist could use the same trail. It's
been great and I've had no problems of someone finding my box and
mistaking it for a geocache.

I check on his geocache and he checks on my letterbox.

I even found a picture of Mark and Sue in the geocache! Now that was
a treat.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Cliffhanger"
> Found on Geocaching.com groundspeak forum
> http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=139040&hl=
> *****
> Hopefully, this and similar posts at geocaching.com will get the
word
> out to cachers and help the LB cause.
>